Tea, Tasty Cakes, and Death
DW: Where did the idea for the death cafe start?
JU: Death Cafe comes from the ideas of Swiss sociologist
Bernard Crettaz who came up with something called Cafes Mortels. In Continental Europe there is a tradition of meeting in public places to talk about important subjects. So there is a Cafe Philo, where people talk about philosophy, and Cafes Scientifique where people talk about science. Bernard's innovation was to come up with something where people talk about death.
He organised about 40 cafes in Switzerland and I saw a piece in an English paper about the first event in France. I was immediately gripped by the idea and resolved to offer Death Cafes that very day. There is more about the story of Death Cafe here.
DW: How long have they been going on?
JU: Bernard has been organising Death Cafes since 2004. My first one was in September 2011 and was facilitated by Sue Barsky Reid, who is a psychotherapist and also my mum! Bernard wrote a book about Cafes Mortels but it is in French so for Death Cafe we have come up with our own methodology and principles.
DW: What is the purpose or mission statement of a death cafe?
JU: It is "To increase awareness of death with a view to helping people make the most of their (finite) lives."
DW: Are professionals involved or can a regular person organize a death cafe?
JU: No there is no funding for Death Cafe and it is all organised on a voluntary basis. Our first principle is that we are not offering Death Cafes for profit, though we try and cover expenses with donations or funding where necessary. Our other principles are that our Death Cafes are always offered:- In an accessible, respectful and confidential space, free of discrimination, where people can express their views safely
- With no intention of leading participants towards any particular conclusion, product or course of action
- Alongside refreshing drinks and nourishing food – and cake!
DW: What kinds of people show up? Is it typically an older crowd? Are people looking for comfort or grief counseling due to a loss?
JU: My father-in-law once said to me that "The trouble with this work is that no one wants to talk about death.' He was wrong! All kinds of people show up, not typically an older crowd. We have a really varied group of attendees which is great. If one group is over represented it is younger (20 - 35) women. I haven't been able to establish why this is as yet.
Some people have lost someone and the group tends to listen very attentively and supportively. I would say the vast majority don't come with the intention of working through major bereavement issues (I think the name might put them off). Rather it is people who just want to reflect on one of the most important topics that there is.
DW: In your opinion, are people more afraid of their own death or the death of their loved ones?
JU: No idea! Personally for me it's the death of my wife and children that scares me most. That's not to say that I'm not scared of dying - I am! But doing this work has given me confidence that whatever happens I will respond with openness and resilience. I know I will cope. That's really useful!
DW: Do you provide resources for the people who attend?
JU: We don't really offer resources, though our website ( www.deathcafe.com) has lots of interesting reading. Offering information is important and there are great organisations that do this, such as the Natural Death Centre, Good Funeral Guide, and EvansAboveOnline.
But Death Cafe is consciously not about offering information. Rather we offer people time and space to reflect and discuss, without the intention of them taking a particular course of action.
DW: How many people typically show up for an event?
JU: It varies. The smallest is 3 and the largest to my knowledge 22 (this was a magical event - the first Death Cafe specifically for the LGBTQ community).
DW: What advice would you give to someone who would like to start a death cafe in their city or town?
JU: Go for it! Death Cafes deliver a lot of fun and happiness for not too much effort. All you need is a venue, a facilitator, some attendees and of course cake. There is a guide to offering your own Death Cafe on our website.
We work with anyone who is happy with our principles and offer support, promotion and advice. Hit me up if you want to know more: underwoodjon [at] gmail [dot] com
He organised about 40 cafes in Switzerland and I saw a piece in an English paper about the first event in France. I was immediately gripped by the idea and resolved to offer Death Cafes that very day. There is more about the story of Death Cafe here.
DW: How long have they been going on?
JU: Bernard has been organising Death Cafes since 2004. My first one was in September 2011 and was facilitated by Sue Barsky Reid, who is a psychotherapist and also my mum! Bernard wrote a book about Cafes Mortels but it is in French so for Death Cafe we have come up with our own methodology and principles.
DW: What is the purpose or mission statement of a death cafe?
JU: It is "To increase awareness of death with a view to helping people make the most of their (finite) lives."
DW: Are professionals involved or can a regular person organize a death cafe?
JU: No there is no funding for Death Cafe and it is all organised on a voluntary basis. Our first principle is that we are not offering Death Cafes for profit, though we try and cover expenses with donations or funding where necessary. Our other principles are that our Death Cafes are always offered:- In an accessible, respectful and confidential space, free of discrimination, where people can express their views safely
- With no intention of leading participants towards any particular conclusion, product or course of action
- Alongside refreshing drinks and nourishing food – and cake!
DW: What kinds of people show up? Is it typically an older crowd? Are people looking for comfort or grief counseling due to a loss?
JU: My father-in-law once said to me that "The trouble with this work is that no one wants to talk about death.' He was wrong! All kinds of people show up, not typically an older crowd. We have a really varied group of attendees which is great. If one group is over represented it is younger (20 - 35) women. I haven't been able to establish why this is as yet.
Some people have lost someone and the group tends to listen very attentively and supportively. I would say the vast majority don't come with the intention of working through major bereavement issues (I think the name might put them off). Rather it is people who just want to reflect on one of the most important topics that there is.
DW: In your opinion, are people more afraid of their own death or the death of their loved ones?
JU: No idea! Personally for me it's the death of my wife and children that scares me most. That's not to say that I'm not scared of dying - I am! But doing this work has given me confidence that whatever happens I will respond with openness and resilience. I know I will cope. That's really useful!
DW: Do you provide resources for the people who attend?
JU: We don't really offer resources, though our website ( www.deathcafe.com) has lots of interesting reading. Offering information is important and there are great organisations that do this, such as the Natural Death Centre, Good Funeral Guide, and EvansAboveOnline.
But Death Cafe is consciously not about offering information. Rather we offer people time and space to reflect and discuss, without the intention of them taking a particular course of action.
DW: How many people typically show up for an event?
JU: It varies. The smallest is 3 and the largest to my knowledge 22 (this was a magical event - the first Death Cafe specifically for the LGBTQ community).
DW: What advice would you give to someone who would like to start a death cafe in their city or town?
JU: Go for it! Death Cafes deliver a lot of fun and happiness for not too much effort. All you need is a venue, a facilitator, some attendees and of course cake. There is a guide to offering your own Death Cafe on our website.
We work with anyone who is happy with our principles and offer support, promotion and advice. Hit me up if you want to know more: underwoodjon [at] gmail [dot] com
Thank you so much, Jon! I am totally interested in starting one here in Texas.
Happy Valentine's Day!!!